Why the Citizens Are Losing

[Mary]

It's not too late for these guys to turn it around, but right now they're on the ropes. They need to exile four of us and we only need to exile three of them to win. They have one confirmed Citizen and we have four people working together.

What have been their big mistakes so far? Feel free to add to this list. I'm sure they'll enjoy reading it later.

1) Awohali fakeclaiming to frame Jenny.

2) Chance acting scummy and drawing 21 votes that should have been on Spies. Also failing to claim once he knew everyone found him scummy.

3) Broderick and Dane making people so angry that they failed to work together effectively.

4) Citizen alliance paid more attention to roles and protecting themselves than to spyhunting.

5) Allan quitting instead of using his role to help protect people and restrict votes.

6) Claude tunneling on Chance instead of finding more Spies after Isaac and Magalie.

7) Failure to protect Tina from Imprisonment.

8) Too many lazy Citizens allowed Spies to blend in. Jenny, Kiara, Jasmine, Zed, Rondak, etc. didn't put in enough Spyhunting effort.

9) Lilith blabbing about knowing the doc situation. (Did she have a role?)

10) Gertrude not protecting Cory from Imprisonment.

[Hambone]

11.) Z uttering the word "HQ" multiple times and not being able to defend himself

12.) Jenny never making a case, ever, lolol, even when she's about to die.

[Cinnamyn]

13) good spies

[Lawrence]

Now we can say:

14) Not letting a Spy get nominated this round.

But that's not really a mistake so much as us being awesome.

[Hambone]

hopefully in a couple of days we can say:

15) Jasmine never getting her vote back

[Gabe]

Jul 30, 2010 17:17:25 GMT -6 Mary said:

It's not too late for these guys to turn it around, but right now they're on the ropes. They need to exile four of us and we only need to exile three of them to win. They have one confirmed Citizen and we have four people working together.

What have been their big mistakes so far? Feel free to add to this list. I'm sure they'll enjoy reading it later.

1) Awohali fakeclaiming to frame Jenny. - Honestly this was a big problem. Jenny probably would have survived that round and someone - maybe Cinn - might have gone instead. So basically Trey fucked over the town again in his short sightedness (on another note, I believe he did the same thing as Bruce and Julia.) Another deal breaker was people not seriously looking at hambone after Jenny's flip who by definition had basically wasted the entire game being suspicious of her, but afaik didn't really push her. I.E. Hambone was just leaching on a convenient suspicion without really doing shit about it, plus the fact that you had people like Rondak and Jenny getting suspicion for not doing much (kudos to you guys for this btw) when Hambone was doing just as little and getting nothing should have been a big tip off something wasn't right with the guy. But the citizens these past few games, apart from some big power players have been kind of retarded. (Looking at you Dane/Chance. YES TANNER I'M STILL KIND OF TICKED). Honestly, Awohali is a big reason why we lost this game, though. Telling people you have a guilty is asking them to sheep someone without really trying to do anything else, and worse of all it gave you guys a free fucking pass for an episode while everyone sat around doing nothing. It's like Episode 3 Freemasons all fucking over again. TREY do not pull this shit ever again. I will scalp you next time.

2) Chance acting scummy and drawing 21 votes that should have been on Spies. Also failing to claim once he knew everyone found him scummy. - TANNNNNEERRRRR

3) Broderick and Dane making people so angry that they failed to work together effectively. - The thing about Christina I noticed is she can get really over aggressive and really dickish at times when she's playing - not a good combination in a social game revolving around voting people out. That really hurt her chances at getting people together before it was too late. Dane, as we know, needs to stop playing pricks. He had fairly good reads as Neo-Nathan MMG0, and best of all wasn't a complete dick that game. I actually enjoyed talking to him there. Alas, I loathed Dane with a passion mainly because he was nothing but an abrasive jerkface.

4) Citizen alliance paid more attention to roles and protecting themselves than to spyhunting. - TANNNNNERRRRRR.

5) Allan quitting instead of using his role to help protect people and restrict votes. - What a little dickshit Allan was. He hated the AIM aspect though. Still not a good enough reason to not stick around and help your fucking side win. What a little dickshit.[/b[

6) Claude tunneling on Chance instead of finding more Spies after Isaac and Magalie. - Honestly, can you blame Claude? The only thing claude did taht really pissed me off was using his great powers of tunneling to restrict owen's votes that one episode. That effectively screwed so much shit up that there was no way in hell a spy was getting exiled that ep.[/b[

7) Failure to protect Tina from Imprisonment. THIS IS A BIGGIE FOLKS. Tina was fucking amazing. There was no point in not protecting her. Especially to do like what. Protect Allan, the lil' cunt?.[/b[

8) Too many lazy Citizens allowed Spies to blend in. Jenny, Kiara, Jasmine, Zed, Rondak, etc. didn't put in enough Spyhunting effort. Another huge issue - though it also didn't help that you guys imprisoned anyone who was actively hunting for the spies, but effort is a big fucking deal of it too. Had more people been actively hunting for you guys, your victory would have been a bit more hard fought.

9) Lilith blabbing about knowing the doc situation. (Did she have a role?) No Benji is just a dipshit.

10) Gertrude not protecting Cory from Imprisonment. - Again, no fucking clue why she didn't do this - the cits had a huge advantage after the first imprisonment and it got wasted quicklike.

[Gabe]

Also on another note, I'd like to add to this list

16) Failure to reexamine people on an episodic basis. It's important to break your trust of someone every now and then and objectively reexamine your relationship, especially if there is the trust in each other is a touch irrational.

And Cinn touched on this in his confessionals

17) Failure to keep votes semi private. I think this is important. I feel as if it wouldn't have been half as easy on the spies had people not been so open in their votes early on - and it makes it easier to notice when/where votes are getting manipulated when people discuss the exiles after the fact. As it stood, all the public information made it easy for the spies to figure out where the citizens were the weakest and to undermine them. MMG0 was not a very public game - most of us spent our time discussing suspicions on AIM and Episode 1 was interesting since it was a bussing battle between Miranda (Trey) and Herb (Steve- o-town). Interesting because it was Miranda on the chopping block there for a bit leading up to exile, until someone leaked to her that she was getting exiled (probably katie.) and used the fact that it was kept private to make it seem like some scummy affair to blindside her poor, pathetic ass. Point is, had she not learned of it, Miranda would have been exiled episode 1 and we would have been down the most dangerous spy that game. (poor steve was going to die no matter what, as I had planned to go after him next episode anyway. I just didn't want him dying first since Herb was great.)

[Gabe]

Oct 1, 2010 16:24:55 GMT -6 @Gabe said:

Jul 30, 2010 17:17:25 GMT -6 Mary said:

It's not too late for these guys to turn it around, but right now they're on the ropes. They need to exile four of us and we only need to exile three of them to win. They have one confirmed Citizen and we have four people working together.

What have been their big mistakes so far? Feel free to add to this list. I'm sure they'll enjoy reading it later.

1) Awohali fakeclaiming to frame Jenny. - Honestly this was a big problem. Jenny probably would have survived that round and someone - maybe Cinn - might have gone instead. So basically Trey fucked over the town again in his short sightedness (on another note, I believe he did the same thing as Bruce and Julia.) Another deal breaker was people not seriously looking at hambone after Jenny's flip who by definition had basically wasted the entire game being suspicious of her, but afaik didn't really push her. I.E. Hambone was just leaching on a convenient suspicion without really doing shit about it, plus the fact that you had people like Rondak and Jenny getting suspicion for not doing much (kudos to you guys for this btw) when Hambone was doing just as little and getting nothing should have been a big tip off something wasn't right with the guy. But the citizens these past few games, apart from some big power players have been kind of retarded. (Looking at you Dane/Chance. YES TANNER I'M STILL KIND OF TICKED). Honestly, Awohali is a big reason why we lost this game, though. Telling people you have a guilty is asking them to sheep someone without really trying to do anything else, and worse of all it gave you guys a free fucking pass for an episode while everyone sat around doing nothing. It's like Episode 3 Freemasons all fucking over again. TREY do not pull this shit ever again. I will scalp you next time.

2) Chance acting scummy and drawing 21 votes that should have been on Spies. Also failing to claim once he knew everyone found him scummy. - TANNNNNEERRRRR

3) Broderick and Dane making people so angry that they failed to work together effectively. - The thing about Christina I noticed is she can get really over aggressive and really dickish at times when she's playing - not a good combination in a social game revolving around voting people out. That really hurt her chances at getting people together before it was too late. Dane, as we know, needs to stop playing pricks. He had fairly good reads as Neo-Nathan MMG0, and best of all wasn't a complete dick that game. I actually enjoyed talking to him there. Alas, I loathed Dane with a passion mainly because he was nothing but an abrasive jerkface.

4) Citizen alliance paid more attention to roles and protecting themselves than to spyhunting. - TANNNNNERRRRRR.

5) Allan quitting instead of using his role to help protect people and restrict votes. - What a little dickshit Allan was. He hated the AIM aspect though. Still not a good enough reason to not stick around and help your fucking side win. What a little dickshit.[/b[

6) Claude tunneling on Chance instead of finding more Spies after Isaac and Magalie. - Honestly, can you blame Claude? The only thing claude did taht really pissed me off was using his great powers of tunneling to restrict owen's votes that one episode. That effectively screwed so much shit up that there was no way in hell a spy was getting exiled that ep.[/b[

7) Failure to protect Tina from Imprisonment. THIS IS A BIGGIE FOLKS. Tina was fucking amazing. There was no point in not protecting her. Especially to do like what. Protect Allan, the lil' cunt?. Going back, I actually thibnk this was the period around the time hambone'd vote gert so I don't think Gert could protect her - though that might have been next episode - point is is there was probably more going on than I knew. idk.

8) Too many lazy Citizens allowed Spies to blend in. Jenny, Kiara, Jasmine, Zed, Rondak, etc. didn't put in enough Spyhunting effort. Another huge issue - though it also didn't help that you guys imprisoned anyone who was actively hunting for the spies, but effort is a big fucking deal of it too. Had more people been actively hunting for you guys, your victory would have been a bit more hard fought.

9) Lilith blabbing about knowing the doc situation. (Did she have a role?) No Benji is just a dipshit.

10) Gertrude not protecting Cory from Imprisonment. - Again, no fucking clue why she didn't do this - the cits had a huge advantage after the first imprisonment and it got wasted quicklike.

[Gabe]

Yeah - it was either episode 6 or 7 where gert couldn't protect. nvm - that answers a few questions.